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in it. we're used to obama negotiating from a position of compromise first. this is clearly -- >> that's just not true. that's nonsense. >> this is the important part. >> no, that's nonsense. >> this is the important part. >> i've been hearing since the election, oh, the president has to be tougher this time. where was everybody the first two years of his presidency where he shoved his health care plan down republicans' throat? he made sure he got it without a single vote. is that compromise? >> i don't want to get sidetracked -- i could, i guess. with respect to this, though, it seems pretty clear to me that what we're going to end up have happening here is that republicans now will come back and say one of two things. one, rip all the stimulus out of this proposal, and that includes mortgage relief, the $50 billion that you talked about. that includes all the additional spending in there. and then we can start talking. or two, let's get that $1.6 trillion in tax hikes down closer to $800 billion in tax hikes. and either way, boehner gets to go back to his caucus and say, i scored ver
in the negotiations if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we turn to fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry for the report. >> trying to lay blame for stalled budget talks on republicans, president obama today wratcheted up pressure on boehner. >> nobody wants this done more than me. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cliff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans decide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nation's debt ceiling. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default again as part of
the president's new negotiate i want aing style. it said mr. obama scattered by failed negotiations in his first term and emboldened by his re-election has shown to be a dlimp different negotiate or. the white house reminded people what the president basically campaigned on saying that everybody knew going in what they were getting re-lecting th this stifle president. does he walk with confidence of re-election under his belt and is this the way it's going to go, nor mr. nice guy approach? >> i think the president believes very strongly that we can't repeat the mistakes of the past. that going back to tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, hoping that trickles down the rest of us have failed us for well over a decade. what we need to do instead is be serious about protecting the middle class and the republicans agree with that. don't hold those tax breaks for millionaires hostage. let's reduce taxes for the middle class. that's something that we all agree on fine let's get it done. if we believe we need to make certain investments which we do to grow the economy, in infrastructure and innovation
connell when the president's initial proposal was presented. do you think that president obama started these negotiated on the wrong foot with that $1.6 trillion offer? >> no. you know, i actually think senator mcconnell is being pretty "redridiculous to laugh. the laugh is really just a way to try to ridicule the seriousness of the negotiation that senator mcconnell plays a major role in. in a normal negotiation. you go in and buy a car, you're going to low ball your first offer and you're going to wait for that counteroffer. the president, he's probably coming in at his high point, but, you know what, next move is speaker boehner, senator mcconnell, what is your counteroffer? they don't want to get specific about what revenue they would be willing to raise and understandably so because they're going to have a back lash, a furious backlash within their caucus once they get specific. they also won't be specific about medicare. they say they want "cuts" but they won't say what those are. if they want to get serious, they have to get real. >> senator mcconnell said raising the eligibilit
counter punch? >> absolutely. one of the reasons president obama's come into these negotiations from what he believes is a position of strength is because he's looking at polls that show that the majority of americans will blame a gop-held house of representatives if we do indeed go off a fiscal cliff. so he's coming into this with basically a list of demands without making any concessions. >> he'll be blamed historically. if he has a second recession on his watch, the history will be written that he presided over two recessions. that's why i refer to him as herbert hoover. [ overlapping speakers ] >> he can't play that game. he can bluff but he can't play that game. >> it's not a bluff. this is not a bluff. >> you think he would take a second recession? >> well, a second recession? >> if all the tax cuts are repealed. all of them. we're going into recession. that's why the congressional budget office said. you think he would risk a second recession that would destroy his second term? >> i think he understands the law of the land today is that everybody gets a tax increase. he's trying to
obama and treasury secretary to make his case while the president himself negotiators his kay way through 18 holes and a black tie bash. speaker boehner sums up with where things are with the word of the week, nowhere. a big fight brewing over republicans ratifying a u.n. treaty to help people with disabilities that's based on a u.s. law signed by a republican president. find out how a republican attorney general plan to overcome the opposition. >> president obama pile on praise that sounds like anything but. a farewell for hillary clinton. i'm fighting a fiscal cough, so pardon that. if it's always darkest. it's clear the white house-re house-republican leaders, both sides appear to be very far apart, saluting kennedy center honorees from dustin hoffman to led zeppelin and hitting the golf links with former president bill clinton. the guy with whom he will have to make a deal to end the standoff on the fiscal cliff house speaker john boehner requested time on fox news to publicly declare the president's opening bid a nonstarter. >> i was flabbergasted. we're nowhere. >> treasury
from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> house speaker boehner saying that is president obama and the democrats to save you for being higher taxes. this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate is because, come the fiscal cliff moment, that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> speaking as a reagan conservative, i must say i rather agree with you. probably shouldn't. but i do. i think divided government is very difficult. and there's some principles that speaker boehner is fighting for, with which i actually agree. but i think politically, the risk here for the gop, is they've become the party of rich people. and they give up the middle-class to the democrats. and i think you saw some of that in the presidential election. i don't think that's their inten
can get the negotiations on c-span, then we would see accurately what both sides are saying. what david brooks wrote is, of course, the democratic narrative and that's what obama's trying to sell. it is not actually what's happening on the ground in terms of negotiations, but there are no cameras in there and so the president's spokesman can walk out of the room as they did all the way through the negotiations on the debt ceiling and misrepresent what had happened. let's get c-span cameras and msnbc cameras in there so we can ask obama about his $800 billion in savings from not sticking around in iraq. >> but really, grover, do you think that would help the republican party? >> yes -- no. it would help the american people accurately see what's going on. it's like solomon and the two ladies and the baby, whoever doesn't want the cameras in the room is lying. >> grover, one last question for you. >> yeah. >> an ideological question, which is to say, elected representatives are supposed to represent their constituents. abc washington post poll that americans are asked do they support
made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been taken down. it was a 50/50 proposition. >> all right. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. >> fascinating. incredible read, "herding cats." >>> still ahead -- it's just cruel. i felt bat readid reading it. you know where i stand. >> cures cancer. >> let's see. >> okay. >>> coming up, we're going to bring in republican congressman tom cole who broke ranks with his party over the tax debate last week. can't wait to talk to him and get his insights. also, we'll be talking foreign policy with national security adviser dr. brzezinski. keep it right here on "morning joe." music is a universal language. but when i was
proves it. 53% trust president obama and the dgets more to handle the fiscal cliff negotiations. only 36% trust the "r"s in congress. joining me is nbc chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown," anything else you control around here? >> that's enough. >> and "the washington post's" chris cillizza. i think you've been reupped. year all over the place. you're the greatest. the absolute best there is in this -- >> let's be careful talking about the president outside the beltway. >> this is why i want you and chris on. what is the president hoping to get done? what's his time frame? does he believe in the cliff or does he think it's a bungee jump? >> no, he truly believes in the cliff. he has been getting -- and he's getting economic warnings from his own team that say, don't believe the congressional budget office which is kind of rosy about this who says it would be a tough 2013 if we went over the cliff but things would get better. he is getting updates saying, no, no, no we will go into recession. >> therefore, let's go to the therefore now, c
to be involved in negotiations, even if they are slightly not in the heart of it, which is bigger and obama. host: -- boehner and obama. host: robert, good morning. line for democrats. caller: our economy is very fragile. a lot of the things the people in this country, the millionaires and billionaires have forgotten is the fact that if it were not for the tax payers, the infrastructure we put in place, to do business here, like good roads and power grids and bridges -- the list goes on. we the taxpayers are the ones who put this in place for them to make their millions and billions. i do not think it is wrong for everybody, including working class people, to pay their fair share. i think it is the right things that we have to do to dig in and bail this country out. guest: that is a good point. you just made the connection between the taxes we pay and when we get in return. one thing but a lot of people talk about is that in this country, sometimes people -- it is hard to make that connection. a lot of money we pay goes to the military, which maybe you're not involved in, or two seniors. maybe we
to reach agreement among -- with a pew people in meetings negotiateing that is not what american democracy is about. >> greta: interesting looking at this democratic presidency with the last one, bill clinton, president obama almost outsources this to others, to committees, aides, senators, congressmen, he outsources everything he doesn't want to get his hands dirty. bill clinton was in there slugging it out. newt gingrich said he spent 35 days face-to-face. why doesn't president clinton get involved this is his job? >> that is a good insight it is sort of an outsourcing. when you run for the office if you don't want to be involved directly engaged in the big issue of our time, dwarfing all others is our unsustainable financial course that's what we need to deal work the american people need to be engaged in it and it is not happening. >> he wants the applause but won't do the heavy lifting the ugly stuff, putting people in a room. >> i think you are correct in that observation. we've not made progress. what we get is, hubris after this big election 2%, maybe, win they've got a lot of conf
where it comes from. barack obama has been specific in his plan and look both sides have their plans and there's going to be negotiation, will probably end up somewhere in between. i don't understand why we can't raise tax rates on the top 1% of people if we're going to get to a balanced plan. why should the middle class pay more when we have people at the top who can pay more. >> okay. your experience as cbo director and elsewhere. the argument is being made that capping deductions whatever 25,000, 50,000, is that where the itemized deductions are, it's the upper end people who will pay for that, and that produces revenues without damaging the economic incentives, the economic growth effect of tax rate incentives. now i want to ask you, objectively, is it possible that it will affect the upper end income people without affecting the tax rate. >> you can get there. the president's budget has $600 billion raised that way. what's frustrating about this is the republicans could have gone back with a specified plan. they knew that was a nonstarter. they did what the president asked. they
obama and speaker boehner spoke on the phone yesterday for the first time in days. both men agreed not to publicly characterize how the conversation went. but the stalemate in negotiations entered new territory yesterday with treasury secretary tim geithner suggesting the white house is ready to go off the cliff if republicans refuse to raise taxes on the 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans -- remember, it's only 2%. the size of the problem in some sense is so large, it can't be solved without rates going up as part of that. again, i think there's broad recognition of that reality now. >> one fallback option republicans are reportedly considering is to accept tax cuts for the middle class, allow rates to go up for the wealthiest, and then start the fight over again during debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business roundtable of ceos, president obama took a
the fiscal cliff, almost every major negotiation and battle as come down to president obama and house speaker john boehner. do you think it helps or hurts that key lawmakers like yourself seem to be left out of this deal making? >> well, i'm in constant consultation with secretary geithner, with the white house, and meeting with congress, and the chairman of the house, meet with reed very off. there's a lot of conversations going on where i gave my views, and learn, and so there are more people involved. >> now this is really coming down to, as is no surprise, the issue of tax rates, will republicans agree to raising tax rates on the wealthy as president obama made clear. are you willing to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans do not agree that that? >> i think if there is no agreement whatsoever, the president has probably no choice but to say, okay, we're going to go over the cliff. that would no be my first preference. my first preference is that as we get closer to the cliff, that we find an agreement that makes some sense, so we don't have to go over it. if we don't go over,'re enteri
in there and you do that negotiation. you know damn well, if anybody doesn't think taxes are going to go up for the rich, the drinks are on me. anybody with a brain knows that this guy, obama, that is his only insistence. but no someone favor -- go look at the tax code. that is what we spent eight months doing. looking at this code. in there is $1,100 ,000,000 of tax expenditures, tax earmarks spending by any other name. guess what? 20% of the american people use 80% of it. who do you think that is? that is you and me and the guys with money. only 27% of the american people itemize. that means three-quarters of the american people never heard of those goodies. so if you want to get something from the rich, just go in to the tax code and start ripping. you don't have to call at it tax increase. it will take time to do. that is where you get your scratch. >> bret: there is so much talk about taxes but little talk about spending or cut to spending. george will wrote spending the main culprit because the federal revenue is $2.6 # trillion. spending is $3.76 trillion. we're spending $987 billion
not happening right now and negotiations so not happening that congress -- members of congress went home last night. president obama very much on the case, went out yesterday morning to meet with members of the business roundtable and he told members of the roundtable first of all that they -- there's absolutely part of the equation has to be raising rates on the top 2% of americans. without that there won't be any deal. president obama with the business roundtable. >> any formula that says we can't increase tax rates probably only yields about $300 to $400 billion realistically. that's well short of the amount of revenue that's needed for a balanced package. >> bill: just won't cut it. the president said. he also appeared yesterday morning on tom joyner's radio show. and said if you want a deal, if you want a compromise, there's only one way to get there and that's the one thing missing if republicans will agree that tax rates will not -- will not -- the tax cuts will not continue for the top 2%. he said we've got a dea
. they are becoming enablering of obama -- they are becoming enablers obama is spending us into oblivion. stuart: if john boehner takes any questions, we will go back to it. we're going to concentrate on speaker boehner because he's the principal negotiator. i didn't make much of that and i don't think you did either. >> i was disappointed he didn't make a counteroffer or didn't say here's what we will do, here's what we will never do. stuart: should he be negotiating in front of the cameras? >> the president does it. stuart: what you are saying is do not cave on anything. right? i mean that's your position. >> not anything substantial. obviously you can compromise on things that are not substantial, but new taxes, new borrowing and new spending, that's substantial. stuart: would you be prepared to see republicans take the blame and they will get the blame if we fail to get an agreement and we go into recession? >> well, if they know how to deal with this properly, they so-called fiscal cliff is a piece of legislation, enacted by a republican house, a democratic senate and signed by a democratic
: or raise the thres hold. >> gretchen: why would the president be in a negotiating position . he won reelection . >> steve: this is behind the scenes. >> brian: leverage we can go back to recession. you cannot blame george bush because he is in dallas. here is president obama yesterday and you heard from charles krauthammer. >> familis and small businesses can enjoy peace of mind heading in christmas and heading in the new year and it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits and stream line tax. including asking the wealthiest americans to pay more for education and train science and research. >> any republican who buys this is a fool. republicans have stood for one thing statistically that held them. they are the low tax party. the other guys want to tax to match their reckless spending. if they give it up now in return for nothing, obama wins and high wins big. i understand why the democrats are doing this. they imagine that republicans have no bargaining power today . i say that it is true if republicans resist they
the phone conversation with obama was a little more terse. we went from being down 100 to up 100. we haven't had that kind of swing in over a year. we are laser focused on d.c. and those negotiations as usual. >> brian brings up 2.7 number, steve rattner. i guess you look at the numbers and you compare them to where we were at points in the '80s, the '90s, even 2004, 2005. it may not look good. compare that number to the rest of the world, suddenly the u.s. economy is looking pretty damn good by comparison to other countries. >> it actually feels like the economy is gathering steam. these kind of revisions help you feel that way. sandy is an aberration in the unemployment numbers as brian said. essentially we look at housing, consumer spending. the economy is on a pretty good track. the question is whether we go over the cliff at the end. >> joe, i just will say, there's kind of an underlying sense that if we get the right deal -- and i think all of us sort of know what that includes, that we are kind of spring-loaded for serious growth. the consumers have already spoken in terms of holida
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